Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

You then pointed out that it was "separated by paragraphs"; but as this direct quote shows, the structure of the paragraphs imply equivlalence because of the direct parallel, by the structure of the writing and sentence/paragraph/word relationships. When a sentence follows another like that, in that structure, that's a descriptive statement.

Pacopoolio,

There you go again. Rather than answering for yourself you instead depend on a supposed implication that fits your desired end. Another fallacy.

You're having a discussion with yourself.

If you want substantive discussion with someone who cares and is willing to engage on logical terms then ask questions of things you read without transposing your views onto what is expressed and then attempting to refute THAT.

What you do here is stunning to watch! Even AFTER me telling you in exactly SO MANY words that what you attribute to me is false you still regress to excusology by depending on a supposed implication DESPITE being asked to read what is LITERALLY expressed!

Do you know the difference between what is literally said versus what is said by implication? What you're doing is amazing to watch!!!

My recommendation is that you reboot and start over. I don't have time for games.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

You're going to ignore the entire quoted information that directly supports part of my assertion because of a mistype? Are you trying to share ideas and have a discussion, or do "gotchas" to look like you won an argument on the Internet?

Pacopoolio,

Respectfully, it is unrealistic to expect readers to decide what is or is not a typographical error in what you write. More to the point, I have no idea whether you mistyped or whether you're now claiming a typo realizing your original assertion is shown to be a blatant falsehood!!! Moreover, I don't care one way or another because I have no inclination to "win" an argument--whatever THAT is supposed to mean.

My interest is in examining the subject at hand. Part of examining a subject is examining what people bring to the table in terms of evidence and logical argumentation based on that evidence. Hence I ask questions and ask for evidence.

So far what I've seen from you is fallacious use of strawman argumentation and, more recently, an offering of evidence that spoke contrary to your assertion. Of the latter you say what you asserted was a typo. Fine. That does not change your other fallacious method, one you bothered to make an assertion of toward me that to date is left unevidenced. What you've demonstrated in this discussion is not what is expected from a person who appeals to scientific means and methods. Frankly, I've relegated things coming from you to a point where I nearly pay no attention. Make of that whatever you will. I don't care. I'm here for the subject not the personalities.

Tell you what, when you get around to proving the assertions you made of my earlier statements--and I'm SURE you know precisely what I'm talking about--then you and I have more to talk about.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

Then we can note how black children under 10 are less likely to be viewed as children and less innocent as compared to white children: https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/psp-a0035663.pdf

Pacopoolio,

I selected the first peer reviewed paper you offered to see if it supports your assertion that "black children under 10 are less likely to be viewed as children and less innocent as compared to white children"

Your source DOES NOT support your assertion.

For example, your cited source (above) offers evidence that children under 10 are seen as EQUALLY INNOCENT regardless of race!!!

Get your facts straight, and for goodness sakes READ your own cited sources before you have others spend time reading them for something they never say and, in fact, DISPUTE!!!

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

You defined "gang wear" as a hoodie drawn across the face. That's not a strawman - that's the subject of the assertion in itself.

Are you backpeddling out of that statement or do you still define gang wear as guy in a hoodie? I need to know those specifics before I attack it directly.

Pacopoolio,

There is nothing to backpeddle about. I have not defined "gang wear" as a hoodie drawn across the face. (Ref. my post 3293)

Defining "gang wear" as a hoodie drawn across the face is a strawman in relation to what I've actually said.

Do youi understand the concept of pararaph? If so, then take another look at what I have actually said. Its on page 13 of this discussion at my post number 3293. Please refrain from transposing your ideas onto what I've written and, instead, read what I've written literally.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

If white people went round with their jeans round their knees people would think they were some sexual deviant.

I observe white and black people dressing like that. It's a fad. It's sloppy and self-disrespecting. At least that's my view.

When I see folks dressed like that I don't think "sexual deviant". I think "If that poor fool lives into adulthood they'll burn every picture of themselves dressed like that!"

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

Saying "slavery happened to everyone at one point in history" denies the demographic-social effect that having slavery and segregation affect a VISUALLY DISTINCT people, so close in history, has.

Glad near-history didn't get in the way of Irish, Italian and Japanese Americans who were, in each case, treated like dirt outside their own communities.

Here's another fact of American history that bears pointing out: Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffered and died in one of the world's bloodiest wars in order to end slavery as it existed at the time. And, I'm not talking about rebels who repudiated the US government and supported the mid-19th century rebellion. The patriots who suffered and died to end slavery were supported by untold millions of additional patriots whose tax dollars and real goods were fully put to the cause.

And today what do we find being talked about as an excuse? Slavery. Guess what? Patriotic Americans died to give blacks a better opportunity in life. Make something of this gift that people of other nations did not for the most part bother to do for its populace. If the black community wants relief from crime and all it does to reduce its culture then start by DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT inside your own community. Do not tolerate poor behavior. Report criminals. PUBLICALLY announce that is what is going to be done and then DO IT. If enough blacks do this then crime and all that comes with it will be significantly reduced within that community. Othewise little will change because non-black communities are working on their own problems and other communities' problems (including the black community) will be treated secondarily.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

Post 91 of 92 was in response to your post, which was partially quoted.

Again, what does 'dressed like a gang member' mean? Your assertion of "drawn hoodie" describes half of the people walking around University of Michigan's campus in the fall, for instance. Is that the Wolverine gang?

In other words, I'm using your own language to point out the inherent visual bias that exists. Yes, there are instances where a black person in a hood would be watched more closely than a white person in the same exact hood in the store, and that's because the viewer gets two distinct impressions from them; the black or latino person being viewed as a "gangster." What is even VIEWED as "gang" wear is colored by race and demographics in itself.

No. You're not using my language when it comes to hoodies. You've introduced a strawman about hoodies. Look it up.

On top of that, when I responded asking for the proof you claim in support of YOUR ASSERTION in post 91 of 92 what do I get? Proof? No. I get questions. Asking questions after making your assertion is just a tad bit backwards, don't you think? If you had questions of what I said the time to inquire was BEFORE making your assertion. Right?

What you wrote is YOUR assertion. Not mine. Hence your burden of proof. Look it up.

As for what I wrote in my posting 3293 of 3298, it's my opinion. Disgree with it if you want. Thats fine by me. But to assert as you do in your posting 91 of 92 draws legitimate request for the proof you claim in relation to my statement you quoted. Either you can offer proof or you can't. Which is it going to be?

So other than your opinion, I ask again: If, and that's a BIG IF, you can provide evidence suggesting my premise is faulity then please provide it. I'd like to examine it for whatever it says.

Can you? Will you?

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

Brown's mother reportedly accuses officer Wilson of lying and then says:

"I know my son far too well, he would never [attack a cop], he would never provoke anyone to do anything to him, and he would never do anything to anybody."--(http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/26/he-wanted-to-kill-michael-browns-mother-insists-ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-lying/20999457/?ncid=webmail1

"[H]e would never to anything to anybody."

That is self-delusion if I've ever observed it. How can a parent say something like that knowing perfectly well her son HAD in fact robbed a retail store AND threated violence to the poor shopkeeper?

Why does her supporters let her say things like that when it flies in the face of demonstrable FACT?

For the life of me I can't understand people like that. Not for the life of me.

Grieving is fine and understandable. Denying what is right in front of your face is delusional.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

What is gang dress? You said "a hoodie drawn over ones' face" (which I'm guessing is a loose hoodie worn inside?). That's not "gang dress." That's what people, in, say, Michigan, wear in the fall/spring. It's just that certain people are equated with "gangs" when they do it, and others are "casually going out."

I responded to what you wrote.

Take a closer look at your post 91 of 92 above.

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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

Marvin Shilmer

The problem with your premise is that it's been proven that black people and white people wearing the same clothes or doing the same actions are viewed and reacted to differently.

I've seen no proof--and you've offered none--suggesting a person who walks around dressed like a gang member will not be watched as a potential gang member regardless of skin color.

If, and that's a BIG IF, you can provide evidence suggesting my premise is faulity then please provide it. I'd like to examine it for whatever it says.

Why do you think gangs WEAR DISTINCTIVE GANG DRESS if not to TELL everyone THIS is what I am?

I think you're transposing a relevantly dissimilar set of observations atop a completely different premise.